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Getting After It
069: The Secrets to Consistency, Focus, and Resilience with Drew Rossell
Ever wondered what it takes to truly become unstoppable? Tune in as we reveal the secrets to building consistency, focus, and resilience, guided by the incredible journeys of elite athletes and influential figures.
Plus, we give you a sneak peek into Drew's upcoming marathon in Las Vegas, inspired by the hard-hitting principles from Tim Grover's books, 'Winning' and 'Relentless.'
Get ready to dive deep into the lessons from Tim Grover, the coach behind legends like Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, and Dwyane Wade.
We'll explore the concept of being a 'cleaner'—that relentless achiever who never bends under pressure. You’ll get raw insights on time management and unwavering focus, and learn strategies to crush distractions and maximize productivity.
This episode is the perfect blend of practical wisdom, motivational stories, and lighthearted banter, tailored to help you navigate the complex path to achieving your goals.
Whether you're aiming to enhance your focus, manage your time better, or just need a motivational boost, this episode promises something truly transformative. So, hit play, and let's embark on this journey to becoming unstoppable together.
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yeah, I mean it just takes, it takes time, yeah, and honestly like that's why we talk about these.
Speaker 1:I don't like the word time, that's, that's the wrong term. Consistency it takes consistency, consistent effort, because nobody has time my friend drew welcome back to the podcast.
Speaker 2:Brad, we're not friends what are we?
Speaker 2:we're brothers, we're family yeah, that's true, and, uh, I can't wait for the new one that's coming out next year. We have to see it together in person though. Yeah, maybe this is a good time to tell everyone about our tradition drew and I have this tradition to. Anytime that we go to Adoing the Rock Johnson, mark Wahlberg or any of the Fast and Furious movies, we always wear suits to be respectful. Yeah, it's the only way we can pay tribute. Yeah, if they ever show the Sopranos in theaters, we'd dress up like the Sopranos yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, thanks for coming back on. I'm excited to talk about where we're going to today, because this is something you and I are both obsessed about. Maybe obsessed is a strong word, but we both love obsessed. I'd say obsessed, yeah, I feel that too. Um, but why don't we, before we jump in, let's get a little update on Drew, how you doing.
Speaker 1:Let's get a little update on drew how you doing, um, how's training going where you at, and uh, that kind of stuff. Life's good.
Speaker 2:Um, I did I announce that I was running a marathon on the last one we might have talked about it, but this is a good place to do it, because now you're yeah, no, I I picked my first marathon.
Speaker 1:We're doing november 3rd, the uh vegas marathon boom. So, um, excited about that, got a long, uh, well, a long time, a lot of training beforehand, but you know, getting pumped.
Speaker 2:So it's, uh, it'll be good, and the way we're gonna make a segue into what we're talking about today is is by that we're um. You know there's a lot of work that's going to go into it, but that's what winning is, and that's what we're going to be talking about today is the book Winning by Tim Grover. It's funny. I remember when I first told you to read Relentless, which is the first book that Tim Grover wrote, I think I told you I was like this needs to be a. I'm assigning it to you as your coach. Like you need to read this book. Yeah, what did you think about Relentless?
Speaker 1:Well, when I first, when you first shared it with me, I was like great Another book to read, or listen to. Or it was like oh, it's just going to be another self-help book, another self-help book, but like I feel like the book itself, like the principles that are in it, like just spoke so much to like who I I am as a person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, so like I, I felt like I didn't know how to say a lot of things or how to like act on certain things. But, like, reading that book helped me like understand myself a little bit better yeah so I feel like, uh, I feel like a lot of it has become like true to who I am.
Speaker 2:Um, it's become like super important to me yeah, and I I agree with that, like it's. It's weird you say that because there were times when it was like I don't think anyone feels the same way, like I would go and accomplish something and be like don't feel anything. But for all those who don't know what we're talking about, relentless and Winning are both books by Tim Grover and Tim Grover he coached. His first client actually ever was Michael Jordan, which is insane. I don't know how you get that as your first go around, but anyway. So he coached Michael Jordan, he coached Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade Dwayne Wade and then he went on to do like business coaching and all this, um, other things to like help you know, get the word out there, and all this.
Speaker 2:But, um, these two books relentless was the first one, winning is the second. Relentless and winning are, and winning are both lessons and things that Tim Grover has learned from coaching these people. Relentless is kind of an introductory book that understands like where he came from, all the lessons that made him him and then the lessons that, like Michael and Kobe, taught, and then winning is a little bit more specific into that and goes into um what it takes to really win and what that means to win, because, from what Tim Grover says, like winning is not a fun thing to be doing, like it's it's not easy and it's kind of true. Anyways, I um just wanted to explain that before we keep going so people aren't like wait, what? What is this book about?
Speaker 1:And definitely read Relentless before you read Winning for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would agree with that, because that's where you learn about closers versus cleaners. Yeah, so what do you think it means to be a cleaner?
Speaker 1:Maybe you can talk about that for a sec. Uh, man, I I think it's hard to describe what I feel like. Tim says it perfectly, though um, but I think what it means to be a cleaner is being someone who, like, doesn't take no for an answer, that, um doesn't let anyone else tell them what they can do, someone who doesn't give under pressure, and someone who, like I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's someone who, like, sets a goal and they will die trying to accomplish that goal yeah, and the other thing I I love about that is like the cleaner aspect, like that concept, um, at least the way tim grover explains it. He gives the idea of like, um, you know, there's, there's the, the closer, who can always show up and perform well, but the cleaner is the person who's you, you know, staying late and, um, he gives the analogy of like an actual cleaner. You know, you, um, you go to work and all the trash cans are full, right, but when you leave and come home, the like, you come back the next day, they're all empty and the floors are clean and all this stuff, and it's because someone stayed and got that extra work done. Um, and he goes on to say, like, a cleaner is someone who's gonna not shy away from the work. Um, and he always talked about how, like, kobe bryant was a good example of that. But anyways, I'm sorry I keep going on tangents here well, he said.
Speaker 1:He said kobe was a perfect example of it. But he also said that with kobe he knew he was making kobe better when he could get him to stop working yeah, that's interesting too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a. Actually, this principle, I can pull it up right here um, have you ever heard of the matthew principle of self-improvement? No, so there are two types of people, um, those who don't know how to improve their lives and those who don't don't know when to stop, and Kobe was probably the latter there. But anyways, um, a lot that you can learn from them. But, uh, I kind of want to kick it off with this. So there is this quote, tim Grover. Uh, he asked all the highest performers what one word they would use to describe winning. Do you remember this part? Vaguely, yes. So he goes and he gives all these definitions and then this is the quote I pulled he says look at these definitions of winning again uncivilized, hard, nasty, unpolished, dirty, rough, unforgiving, unapologetic, unapologetic, uninhibited and everything. If that describes your journey and how you attack your goals, we are speaking the same language yeah, he also said um, he said winning isn't heartless, but you'll use your heart less.
Speaker 1:That stuck out to me a lot when he was at the beginning of that part. How come? Just because you know, like, if you think about all the successful people like I'm talking like really successful, like the Kobe's, the you know, like they don't care about your feelings. Yeah, you know, the mega billionaires, they don't care about anyone's feelings, you know. But like they're not going to be heartless, like they don't, like they're still people, they still love people. But, yeah, but to get to their goals they had to use their heart less, you know 100.
Speaker 2:It's like that one, that one, um famous thing from kobe jobs not finished, right. It's like the entire point of that quote of him saying job's not finished is because a reporter asked him like hey, what's the matter? You're up 2-0. How come you're not happy?
Speaker 2:and he's like it's not done and to that point it's like he's not using his heart. Really, he's just focused on the goal and he hasn't hit it yet, so he's like it's not. Yeah, he doesn't need to show emotion. Yeah, but I think that is true. Like, sometimes you have to put feelings aside. You have to put emotions aside, and it's a lot harder to do that in practice than it is just to say that. But I always refer back to running like how it's an example and a good metaphor for life, because there's tons of days when I don't want to put my shoes on um, but you have to if you want to hit the goal. You have to put those emotions aside.
Speaker 1:It's like, you know, brush it off yeah, you can't let your emotions control your decision making all the time, especially like when you've set a goal, um, and you know what you need to do to achieve that goal, like sometimes. You just need to shut off the emotion and just chase it and work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100 um, it's kind of interesting because, like, obviously you need to have emotions as a person, like, yeah, as a husband, ali would never want to talk to me if I didn't have emotion. But when you're chasing goals and things like, you can't let it aside. And a good example I'll draw to, for this is like yesterday when I was on my run. It was, you know, blaring hot. I could have just kept my or kept complaining, I could have let my anger take control and started getting mad at stuff, but that wouldn't get me anywhere. So it's like I just have to shut that off and just get the job done. But I think it's interesting Anyways. So I know you have a few quotes. You want to bring one up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the first one is from when he's talking about time and he talks. He talks a lot about. Uh, this is actually the chapter that I'm on right now. I haven't finished the book 100%, so I'll just be honest. Um, but this is the chapter that I'm on right now.
Speaker 1:He's talking about time and he talks about how, um, a lot of people say that it's not a sprint, it's a marathon. He said everything's a marathon or everything's a sprint. Yeah, if you're talking to a marathon runner, like they're hustling throughout the entire thing, they might go different speeds, but he said they are 100%, giving effort the whole time. And he also kind of goes off that and talks about focus. And so this is the quote that stuck out to me. It says time tells you what you didn't accomplish. Focus turns off the clock and directs all your energy to the results.
Speaker 1:And like tying this back into running, right, like I feel like, especially as we've been getting more focused on running, with, uh, like trying to get faster, yeah, um, like I felt like I was always chasing that clock and you know, there was times where I didn't achieve my goal, like, oh, I wanted to do a nine minute pace or I want to do nine, 30 pace, whatever it was, um, but what changed for me was, instead of focusing on the time, I focused on the work that I needed to do, right, I knew, like we were doing speed workouts, we were doing hill workouts, whatever it was.
Speaker 1:I knew that those things were going to make me faster and so, instead of focusing on that time and making sure that I was getting faster, I focused on the effort that I was putting in. I focused on the things I knew were going to make me faster, which was those you know specific workouts, know specific workouts, um, and I I just think it's interesting how you know, when we change our focus, it makes it doesn't make it so like we have a time right, like I think of also work where we work nine to five, like, yeah, you accomplish that nine to five. If you turn that off and focus on, or just turn to focus and know what you need to get done, you know you're going to get way more done 100?
Speaker 2:how do you uh, how do you turn that on? How do you like, if there's ever a time when you feel like you're losing your focus, like, what do you do to gain it back?
Speaker 1:uh, I'll tell you this right now um, I've been going through this at work a little bit, like I feel like sometimes I get distracted, um, and so sometimes I just need a, like a quick reset. You know, when I get distracted at work, um, or I'll just like step out, take a little walk and then I'll come back and be better, right. But I think also the other thing is is understanding like perspective and like, especially with running, um, you know, like, yes, I know I just said it's not a marathon, but you have to understand that there's like necessary steps that you need to get through or blocks that you need to achieve before you can, you know, be the all-star runner. And so I think, just adding some perspective, um, and and honestly, like taking a break sometimes, you know, like I just sometimes it takes like a little reset, almost, uh, to get back on track yeah, 100, it does.
Speaker 2:And like, sorry I'm pulling this up, but, um, you said something that kind of made me think about this. But, um, I'm reading this essay called, uh, how to do great work by paul graham. It's actually, um, coming out episode 70. I recorded that you're episode 69. Uh, that's pretty sick.
Speaker 2:But he talks about that like what it means, or like how everyone kind of has that feeling of either they need to reset or they just need to, like you know, figure out how to overcome their procrastination and stuff. Where is this quote? Because it's good. It's good. I do this every time that we talk, but pretty much he says, like everyone has a uh, an initial kind of like step that they have to overcome in in order to start working. Like they always feel like you know. And he, he says like he has to trick himself into working sometimes. And this guy his name is paul graham, he founded y combinator, which is like a huge venture capital firm like he has to trick himself into working sometimes. And this guy his name's Paul Graham, he founded Y Combinator, which is like a huge venture capital firm, he's a multi-billionaire, and so like, if this guy's even saying like yeah, sometimes I have to trick myself into working and how he does. That is like he's like oh, I'm just going to go, you know, check my email for five minutes, and then he usually finds something and he's off.
Speaker 2:But, um, kind of what you're talking about with focus, like sometimes it's just like you know what you need to be doing. So maybe if you just sit there and you start to try and do those things, then that focus will come and, um, I think you're right. Like I think it takes time to develop. That. It's like a marathon training, right, like you can't go out and run an ultra if you just ran a half marathon, unless, I don't know, some people can anomalies.
Speaker 2:I will say, um, but to your point, like there's different steps and I think the same thing you can say with your focus, like cause everyone's different and people are motivated by different things and so your focus is going to be different than other people's. Um, but yeah, anyways, anyways, that's kind of where I was going with that all over the place. Yeah, me too. But I think it like he talks about kobe and michael and how one thing that they have, um, that he saw as an advantage was that they were both very present. Um, and that's something I've been working on with ally quite a bit is like just being in the moment whenever we're together, but then also, just like you know, throughout the day, I try and find a couple times to be present um, well, I think, along with that too, he said this kind of goes back to just time as he says that you don't have time.
Speaker 1:You know like whatever you're working on, you don't have time. You know like like a lot of people, you know going back to procrastinating or even like with relationships or business, whatever it is like. You don't have time, so don't waste it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like you know, that's part of being present, that's a part of focus. Right is having that realization that we don't have time any one of us will wake up or not wake up tomorrow. You know it's crazy. You never know. You don't have time like you need to focus and and be present and work hard is there anything you do to help you remain in the moment?
Speaker 1:Um, I would feel like, especially coming from like home from work. Um, the thing that I do is I'll either listen to an audio book or I'll listen to um like scriptures or something, something that's like super mellow.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So that when I come home, like I had, that basically is my time to like think or space out and like kind of decompress. Because that way, when I come home, like I want to want my kids to know that I love them and I want to want my kids to to know that I love them and and I want to have my attention, so I feel like in that aspect, like for my personal life, like I need that decompression when I come home. But, um, yeah, I mean it's the same thing, Like I guess I can, I don't know. I kind of look at my life in like time blocks.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like I'll wake up in the morning, I'll go to the gym, I'll do my workout or run and then even when I'm going to work, I'll also listen to, to like chill music, like I've noticed, if I listen to like loud music or even audiobooks, like it doesn't set my mind right for the day, and so I'll kind of use those breaks that I have to kind of set my mind up for for where I I'm at, cause, you know, like you don't need to be present a hundred percent of your time, like you don't need to be present while you're driving in the car alone, you know Um and so I mean I'm using I just essentially use that time in between those blocks to kind of set my mind straight so that when I am at work or if I'm at home, I I'm in, like there, 100%.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's interesting. That's like the same concept that James Clear talks about, when he's like, if you're trying to be productive or if you're trying to build a new habit, he's like change your environment. And to that point, that's kind of like a way of you changing your environment, like setting the tone with music, or you're in the car just thinking through things, because, to your point, I do the same thing when I'm driving to the gym. It's a completely different mind, shift Mindset, mindset, thank you. A completely different mindset than when I'm driving to work, because then I'm thinking about business problems instead of oh man, I have to run 10 miles, you have to set yourself up, and I, I think the best way to be present in the moment is almost to prepare, like um, that's why Allie and I have dementia. It's like, so we prepare throughout the day by finding things we want to talk about, and then, when we're together, it's like that's all we're doing, is together. Um, so I don't know, but I like that. I think it's important to be able to control your focus and um, all that.
Speaker 2:But I'll, I'll say a quote. You want me to drop one? Yeah, so this is from uh, tim's winning 13 and the winning 13 are just each of the chapters of the book, but one of the chapters um, I'll just say this, but here's the quote winning takes you through hell and if you quit, that's where you'll stay and that is. That's the biggest truth and that's honestly why I put it on here is because I have felt that a thousand times like quitting is the worst feeling, because if you quit, honestly why I put it on here is because I have felt that a thousand times like yeah, quitting is the worst feeling, because if you quit, then you're always thinking about it and, um, what are you? What's your thoughts on that? What do you think about?
Speaker 1:like I'm on the same page like 100, like I don't know I I always feel like I talk about running too much when I'm on here, but like running is just like a huge part of, like my life right now. Um, but like thursday, perfect example um, I got like three miles in. I think I had stopped four times already and I was like done, like I was like this sucks. And then I knew that you know, you and I were going to talk later that day and you're I was going to tell you yeah, dude, I quit. And I was like I can't live with that.
Speaker 1:And then so I got back on, I was like I'd rather run the four miles I had left than have that conversation with you and not just let you down. But let me down, you know. Yeah, and after that point like I felt like my day was so much better because it was like I knew that I pushed through that and it was so hard, at least for me mentally. I gotta I wasn't going six minute pace, you know, like it was like a pretty average pace, I think it was like 9, 30 or whatever.
Speaker 2:Um, but like I knew that if I had stopped I would have 100 thought about it the rest of the day and I also would have like hated coming to you, like, yeah, dude, I quit halfway through my run I know it's the worst feeling it really is yeah, and it's like, um, yeah, I mean, if you here's what I'll say about it like obviously there's times when you should quit, like if the goal isn't for you, if it's like not producing the results you want, if it's producing a negative effect in your life, then maybe you should quit.
Speaker 2:Um, if it's something you don't enjoy like I quit piano this year but it's because I was like this is not for me. I thought I would like it, but I don't. But what I think makes this quote a little bit more personal is like if there's something you know you can do, but you quit because you were feeling those emotions. And that's why I think it's important that you need to control your emotions, because if you don't, then those chances to quit are just going to present themselves more and more. Yeah, it's like you have to be careful I don't like that word.
Speaker 1:Quit, by the way, and what would you say? I don't think you quit piano. I think it goes back to my first quote that Tim talks about right, where that wasn't your ultimate goal. Your ultimate goal was either running for your marathon to beat sub three or your ultra. I don't remember the timeline of when you start playing piano, but you've focused on what your overall goal was and you cut out what was what you didn't have time for. That's true, you know, because you might come back to playing piano yeah but I think I think that's like.
Speaker 1:You know, I don't. I don't think the word quit is right. I think it's just shifting your focus, that's fair, back to what your ultimate goal is. Yeah, no, I like think it's just shifting your focus, that's fair, back to what your ultimate goal is yeah, no, I like that, that's it.
Speaker 2:That's it. That's a good point. Because, yeah, I guess you can say, like I didn't quit it, like I can go do it at any any time, it's just right, now is not the right time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um I think quitting. Quitting is like. I think, like you said, it's like you know you could do this, you have the time for it, it's a part of your goal and you choose not to do it. Yeah, you know, like I don't know that because, because, like, piano wasn't a part of that part wasn't a part of your training and and you just had to refocus because I don't know. I think quitting, quitting to me is personal.
Speaker 1:I freaking hate quitting yeah, so there's nothing worse than than like knowing I could have done something and I but, and like I knew I needed to get it done and I didn't get it done yeah, worst feeling yeah so it's just refocusing yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2:That's a good way to to shift it. But, um, what keeps you from quitting when you're in those days, when, like, when, in those moments and you can't say me, you can't say because you're going to talk to me or something like that, because it comes, it for sure comes from within. Um, but when you're in those moments, what keeps you going, like when you want to pull the trigger and you're like I'm done, what keeps you going?
Speaker 1:so I mean, I think there's a lot of aspects that we could talk about when it comes to running. A lot of it is obviously you, but are the conversations we're gonna have. But I think the biggest thing is I understand that what I'm putting myself through is going to help me achieve my goal yeah right.
Speaker 1:um, the other thing is like I don't want my kids to think their dad's weak, like that.
Speaker 1:That is something I think about a lot.
Speaker 1:When it comes to just like life decisions or life goals or or anything like that's a huge thing, is like I want, I want, I want to be able to look back and be like I'm proud of myself yeah, and I want the kids to look back and be like I'm proud of myself yeah, and I want the kids to look back and be like, oh, I'm proud of dad. But, honestly, I think the biggest thing, though, is just like if I, if I'm going into something, I understand that what I'm going to be doing is going to help me achieve my goal. That's always in the back of my head, and I know that I need to complete it. Otherwise, I'm not going to achieve my goal. So, yeah, I think, especially like with running that's probably the biggest thing that sits in my head is like well, I know that this is going to help me run a marathon, or I know this is going to help me knock 30 seconds off my pace, and I just need to get in and do it and then it'll be over.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2:I like that actually, and I agree with all those things that you said about, like, just maintaining that perspective. Um, something that's helped me actually a lot is this comes from Goggins, but, um, someone asked him that same question at, like, a conference and his response was that he always asks what if, like, what if he could do this thing, like, what would that look like and how would he feel? Um, because, honestly, like, when I'm on those runs where I have to do 24 miles and it's just so long, like I'm, I always tell myself stories like, nah, like maybe you don't need to finish this one, like everyone does that, like you know your coach would understand like I'm telling myself all these stories. But really, the the loudest voice is the one that says what if, like, what if you're able to accomplish this, and what if you just, you know, keep doing what you're doing? So, when you go and race barriers, like what if you, you run your best and so, like that keeps me going is like just that curiosity of, well, what if I do accomplish this?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's funny you say that, cause I asked myself the same question. I can't remember who. I follow a lot of influence like fitness influencers, yeah, um, and I can't remember who said it and the way he said it like probably Michael Hearn, I don't know if it was Michael Hearn, I think it like probably michael hearn, I don't know if it's michael hearn, I think it was like sam dancing, like some random crossfitter from like 10 years ago that I um, but someone said like you know and I think they were talking about like working out and like showing that their kids, you know that they can do hard things he said I think I don't know. He said something like I think about you know, maybe I should quit or maybe I should stop, and then he says, well, if you didn't things. He said I think I don't know. He said something like I think about you know, maybe I should quit or maybe I should stop, and then he says, well, if you didn't, and he said it just like that. I feel like sometimes like that in my head.
Speaker 1:that'll like pop in my head when I'm running or working I was like, but if you didn't, you know the way he said it, it just like stuck in my head.
Speaker 2:So I said like that so what if it didn't? When, when we make getting after it shirts, when merch time comes, we're gonna get a quote that says well, if you didn't, if you didn't, yeah, people are like what does that mean? It's like what if? What? If you didn't quit? Yeah what if you didn't? Maybe that'll be the theme of next team, tim Tim Alley, if you're listening to this, what do you think about that? Thank, you.
Speaker 2:What if you didn't? What if you didn't? That's pretty good, but no, I like all those things. Yeah, let's hear it actually Okay.
Speaker 1:So I'm a huge Rocky fan, so I'm going to tie this into Rocky a little bit, I'm ready. One says so I'm going to tie this into Rocky a little bit, I'm ready. One says when you've been knocked down, confidence gives you the patience to stay down for a minute until you know how to get up better than you were before. Most people jump right back up because they don't want to look weak and damaged and then immediately get knocked down again. When you're confident in your ability to recover, you know you'll never be weak or damaged again. And I think it was. I want to say it was either rocky three or it could have been one of the creed movies, but there's a scene where they strategically plan this in their fight. You know, I think rocky had already been a champion. So obviously you know, obviously I know he's fake, but you know he had the mindset of a champion.
Speaker 2:You can pretend he's real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he had confidence, but he gets knocked down. I'm pretty sure it was three, because three there was a huge difference between Mr T's endurance or something. Oh yeah, that's the Mr T one. But he gets knocked down and he looks over and I think it's Stitch, I think his name he used to be in the corner for Apollo Creed, but anyway, he looks over at him and he's like stay down, stay down. You know, he's like telling him to catch his breath and he catches his breath and he gets back up and he fights.
Speaker 1:You know he takes a couple seconds and there's a lot of boxers that do that. He fights, you know he takes a couple seconds and, yeah, there's a lot of boxers that do that. But you know, like that's why I think you have to be confident, you know, in that ring, to be able to take the full 10 seconds, you know, or full eight seconds, whatever they allow you before they disqualify you. Yeah, and get back up and start fighting and I don't know. I think you know there's a lot of things in life that can set us back and instead of like reacting instantly, it's okay to take a step back, you know, get our our, our feeding or footing Right and then and then attack.
Speaker 2:I love that. And why do you think like getting knocked down builds your confidence back up?
Speaker 1:I mean there's no security. Yeah, and I think a little bit of it is fight or flight. You get to see who you are as a person when there's no security. I think a good example of this and, like I know I'm not perfect, by the way, but um in, you're a nice man was it 2020 when swello shut down? 2021 talked about swello on here a little bit.
Speaker 1:I alluded to it so so swallow was a company that our brother started, um and it got shut down. Um, and I remember the day that it got shut down, um, like driving home and knowing that I didn't have a job, I had no prospects of a job because it shut down so suddenly, um and like I I don't ever really remember panicking and like, oh, how am I gonna pay my bills? Like that thought never came across. Like I knew. I knew that I was talented, like and I and I gained that from swello was like I, like in the realm of marketing.
Speaker 1:I knew I was talented but, also, I knew that I could outwork anyone, yeah, so I knew that I was going to find a job um, no, anywhere.
Speaker 1:And I did within, like I want to say, within two weeks I had a job, um, and I was starting right like that same you know timeframe and. But, like I, I didn't like panic. Like I I think a lot of people sometimes will just like freak out and like instantly like jump into some like a job that they wouldn't want, yeah, um, and then be looking for a new job within a month and, and that was never my mindset. My mindset was I'm gonna find something that I want and it's something that I feel like I could do for a while, and I think I was there for a year and a half before making a change, um, but, um, yeah, like I don't know, like I think that I think that if there's so many like aspects in life that it could, it could really relate to us where, instead of just like freaking out, you know reacting based off of your emotions, like just taking your time and like feeling confident in yourself.
Speaker 2:you know, I think it'll pay off yeah, I, I love everything that you said. In confidence is like it's it's hard to master but it like it's so important for anything that you do, like you have to be confident, the things that you're trying to pursue. And I was going to ask you this where did that confidence come from in you? Where, like when you lose your job, you're like you know what, I know I got talent, I know I'm going to get picked up, it's just going to be a matter of time, but, like, where did that come from?
Speaker 1:I mean, I think it just comes from, you know, persevering through, you know through through life. But I don't know, I've done a lot of hard things, um, you know, like, and it started from when I was a kid and you know like it would be small things like sometimes it was just yard work or sometimes it was like a project that we had to go do something. But like, I just knew that that i'm'm a hard worker and I feel like that's that's really where my confidence come from is understanding that I I know that I will outwork anyone I have to, or, you know, outwork any. What's the training of the right word?
Speaker 1:like, um, if I don't know how to do something, I know I'm gonna work harder than anyone to know how to do that yeah so like I feel like I feel like that's where a lot of it comes from for myself is just like I know that if it, if it matters to me, I'll work hard to accomplish it 100.
Speaker 2:Um, I love this quote from alex hormosi. You know he is, yeah, but he has this quote. He says you don't become confident by shouting affirmations in the mirror, but by having a stack of undeniable proof that you are who you say you are. Outwork your self-doubt and that's like nails right on the head, right there, like the only way you're going to build confidence is by doing things you didn't think you could in the first place and then working relentlessly at at those goals. And that's how you overcome self-doubt. That's how you become confident. Yeah, um, that's why we do. Team.
Speaker 2:Tim is like all these people who are like, yeah, I'm not a runner, I don't run, like okay, we'll come run for cancer and people can't say no to that. Yeah. And then they come and they see that they do it and they're like, hey, actually I can do that. That's cool. And some people go on and keep running, like you. Some people will just show up next year, but it's like it doesn't matter. It's like that's a difficult thing and it builds your self-confidence, which is something that both Michael and Kobe had was just incredible self-confidence and work ethic.
Speaker 2:And work ethic. Self-confidence and work ethic. How do you?
Speaker 1:balance the line, though, between confidence and cockiness. I don't know. It's hard. I feel like I've been so cocky this whole, like anytime I get on here and I'm talking about myself, I feel that way, but I think I think cockiness is is would be like, if you know, if I was going into a job interview for, let's say, a sales position, and like someone was asking me about my sales history or whatever, and I think cockiness would be just talking about it, versus like if I were to go into and be like hey, look, I don't have any sales experience, but I know I'm a hard worker, you know. Or like I mean that's. I'm not, I'm not giving advice on interviews, but you know what I mean. Like I think that that's like. I think being cocky is like you're talking about it, you can't shut up about yourself. I think confidence is you know you're putting in the hard work behind the scenes and that's what's giving you confidence.
Speaker 1:Like if you look at Michael and Kobe, I mean they talk trash on the court, but that was online oh yeah, you know, but like I don't know, like I don't feel like Michael or Kobe were like super cocky guys and, mind you, I didn't grow up during Michael, I grew up a little bit during kobe. But like kobe always had like this f around and find out mentality, you know like he'd be like. You know he would never really talk about it, he would just be like, yeah, let's, let's show it on the court you know, I think that's the difference between cockiness and and confidence is is just.
Speaker 1:it's just that like show it on the court, that's confidence.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would agree with that. And everything that you said, the work that you put in, builds your confidence and like I'm going to bring this to the ultra, like I'm working so hard for this race. So when I show up on race day I have that confidence and I'm like hey, you know what I've trained, I've done what I know I needed to do.
Speaker 2:I can do this yeah um, and then cockiness would be like, I think, if I walked into work and I was like, hey, oh, you guys haven't run an ultra oh, I just did, I think, that's the difference between being cocky and being confident I, I also.
Speaker 1:I don't know, and this might be, this not might not be right. I also think you walking into the ultra and expecting you to be first place, that's cockiness yeah, okay, that's a good, that's a good yeah but going into it knowing that, no matter what you're gonna finish it, that's confidence, because that's something that you can control, you know, especially with something that's unknown to you. Yeah, that's a good point, okay um, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you ready for my next quote? Yeah, I am. This is about distractions and all this stuff. He had this big piece on distractions, um, how they can take you away from your goals, but he says even worse than doubts are distractions which are disastrous to completing your goals. The deadliest are mental distractions, such as procrastinating on things that you need to get done. The best way to combat these distractions is to set a routine, not an easy routine, but a physically and mentally demanding one that challenges you, um. I thought that was interesting because I was thinking about the last part, like develop a routine that's not easy, um, but physically and mentally challenging. And I think the reason he says that is because if you have an easy routine, then you can distract yourself like way faster than you could if it was something that you were doing.
Speaker 2:That's difficult, you know like you can't solve a complex problem and be on tiktok, but you can scroll through your emails and check your emails and scroll on tiktok. You know what I mean yeah, it's like I think you just have to demand that from yourself. Like no matter what, like if I want to be the best at what I do, then I have to limit the distractions yeah, I can talk to the routine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I've mentioned this before, but like I, I am. I don't feel like I was a very routine person, but I am very much so now. Like, um, after we put the kids to bed, my routine is I pack my lunch for tomorrow, I put out or I pack my bag so I could go to the gym and shower, and then I also like put out my workout clothes and anything else, whether it's like pre-workout or um, like my pre-workout food before my run. Like I, I lay all that out so that when I wake up, there's no discussion in my head. There's no, you know, there's no like contemplating am I gonna do this? Am I gonna go? Like it's just, I wake up, that's ready, I go, there's no excuses on why I can't go, and then I, then I do it, and then that just kind of like leads into the rest of my day where it's like, okay, you know, going back to my drive to the gym, I have the, the mindset, the music. Once I'm done with the gym, I set up for work by listening to the right kind of music.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then break down and then come home and like that's just doing it and like this whole weekend my wife was gone and I had the kids and like my whole routine was just like all over the place. All over the place, yeah, and I tell a difference, um, like mentally. Yeah, like I caught myself, like when I was running, I caught myself drifting way more versus like when I, when I'm in my routine and I'm running, I feel like my, I almost have tunnel vision when I run, you know like I'm able just to block things out and and just like focus on my run or black out kind of wake up when I'm done. But like I just noticed that like my mindset, like kind of throughout this whole weekend, was just all over the place because my routine broke a little bit so, yeah, I like that's the thing too.
Speaker 2:Um, because, like there's lots of people who talk about routines, um, I don't necessarily think you have to have like a specific I need to do this at this time, this at this time, but I think you need to have a certain like. You need to have certain things that you do every single day, like working out. That could be in the morning, that could be in the middle of the day or at night, like it doesn't matter, but I think everyone should work out because, like we don't move a lot, you need that activity. And, to your point, like, yeah, when you find things like that that you want to do, how do you make it easier For me? I do the same thing. I lay my clothes out so there's no excuse in the morning and I just toss it on and go like no distractions, it's there, but routines help me at least avoid distractions. That's like part of my routine. Every single day is when I, right before bed, I drink electrolytes and I journal, and journaling just helps me get an idea of where I'm at with my goals and then plan for the next day. Um, but when we were talking about that and avoiding distractions and everything, um.
Speaker 2:So here's this essay by Paul Graham. It's a super long one, but how to do great work. He starts talking about this thing of like, what it means to demand the best from yourself, and, um, I think you can take a lot of this and apply it to what Tim Grover talks about in winning. Um, but here's what he says. He says, and that is what you're aiming for, because if you don't try to be the best, you won't even be good.
Speaker 2:It could be because ambition is a phenomenon where almost all the error is in one direction. We're almost all the shells that miss the target miss by falling short. Or it could be because ambition to be the best is a qualitatively different thing from ambition to be good, or maybe being good is simply too vague a standard. I love that. It's like you won't be your best unless you demand that for yourself, and avoiding distractions is the only way you're going to be your best. And it's like as hard as it is because we have our attention grabbed in every direction nowadays. It's like that is so important to master If you can. I can't imagine what you're like cause you got three kids.
Speaker 1:It's just easy, man, like you know, just like I said, like I look at my life in blocks and time blocks. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:And that makes it easy for me to to manage it. You know, like, and and a lot of those time blocks are, you know, agreed upon between me and my wife, like, yeah, like I know that the only time every day that I'm going to exercise, which is the thing that I look forward to the most, because it's 100 me time, um, is the morning. It's the early morning, you know, before work, and so, like, I don't know it, just it just makes it easier when I know what I'm supposed to be doing, like, I'm not saying like I have, you know, eight o'clock, 8 am to 9 30. You know, it's not like that, it's just like mental time blocks where I know what I'm supposed to be doing, and it just makes it a lot easier to manage, yeah, all responsibilities that I have in life I think one of the most important pieces of developing good routines is developing flexible ones, yeah, being able to shift things around when you need to, because that's how you stick to them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you're unable to stick to it, you probably won't. So it's like and it takes time too.
Speaker 1:Like, yeah, like I've been waking up and working out in the early morning since when did we start 2017?
Speaker 2:I just did week 17.
Speaker 1:Oh, you mean, um, yeah, you and I probably yeah 2017, yeah because I I didn't really wake up early until I mean, like I was always up, like I've been ever since I graduated from high school. My brain just automatically woken me up at 6 am every day. But yeah, um, I feel like, actually, early morning workout started in 2017 and that took a while to like that, become a habit. And then, even when I moved down to arizona and you and I weren't workout buddies anymore, it took me time to get back into that rhythm and you know, now it's just like clockwork, like I'm just up. You know, even if I don't have to work out, like on sundays, I'm up. I'm up at six, um or seven. I give myself a little bit of grace on sundays, but usually I'll be seven and I take care of the kids until my wife wakes up.
Speaker 1:You know like I'll let her sleep in on sundays, but yeah, I mean it just, it just takes time Honestly.
Speaker 2:that's why we talk about these.
Speaker 1:I don't like the word time. That's the wrong term. Consistency it takes consistency, consistent effort, because nobody has time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like that. That's way better Bringing it back to winning.
Speaker 1:Bringing it back to winning.
Speaker 2:I do like that. I think to your point. Some people might listen to this and be like, yeah, well, that's nice, that works for you, and so that's like the point of these kind of conversations is like, try some of this stuff and if it works for you, great. If it doesn't, try something else. But consistently try new things so you can develop these routines and like to your point that consistency will lead you to find a flexible routine that makes you want to be a better person, as weird as that sounds now.
Speaker 1:I think this is a perfect time to segue into my third quote and tara like this this aligns pretty well and I have to admit I didn't steal this from winning. I stole it from relentless, his first book. But it says you don't become unstoppable by following the crowd. You get there by doing something better than anyone else can do it and proving every day, while you were the best at, what you can do. And the reason, like, I feel like this is kind of ties in and is like I feel like we're saying a lot of things that some people might hear and be like screw these guys, like which, like you know, they're not wrong. But, um, I think one of a perfect example is you like, in my mind, you are mr discipline like you like have the highest tier of discipline out of anyone in my life. That that I know. Like and, and you know, sometimes you know I remember feeling like it was a fault of yours sometimes you know, I get called out all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I felt like it was frustrating sometimes, like how some things couldn't go another way or how, um, it's like bray, you don't have to wake up every Saturday at 5. Am To work out, like we can go camping, you know. But, like, for myself, I've, I've made these decisions in my head A lot of it, like some of it's around running, some of it's around like goals of where I want to be in the next 10 years and and like, honestly, kind of following in your footsteps, but just knowing, like just being disciplined and knowing like, well, I have to wake up and run every saturday. Oh, oh, I have to do this. Like, whatever it is, um, choosing to do that it's like I'm trying to think of the right way to say this like choosing to do that is going to change the way people look at you. Yeah, and it doesn't matter, because if you chase, if you're chasing a goal, if you're trying to become something like like whether it's like for me, I'm trying to do my marathon, but also, like I have a lot of financial goals that I want to achieve in the next 10 years. Like, yeah, I want to be in this house in the next 10 years. Like, yeah, I want to be in this house in the next 10 years, I want to be in a bigger house so that my kids, you know, have um a lot of room. Yeah, because now we're super tight, you know, um, but choosing to do those things and being consistent, doing it over and over again like sometimes it's going to rub people the wrong way but ultimately, like, you'll find inner happiness, like I don't think that I've ever been this happy in my life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because like I, like I'm working hard, I'm doing the things that I love, which is running, which is, you know, helping me be disciplined, helping me stay fit, but then also, like specifically after reading these two books, like I just I feel like it's been easier for me to understand myself and know that, like I'm just going to keep working hard and keep going. And people might not like that, people might look at me and be like dude, why do you have to do it this way? Like, why can't we do it another way? Um, but like it doesn't matter, because I'm the one chasing my goals, you know, and it's okay and, honestly, like if you look at Kobe and Michael, like everyone looks at the product of their hard work and their dedication.
Speaker 1:Right. They look at the six championships, the five championships, like I look at Jordan, and I see the literally the smartest businessman ever, because he signed a deal with nike for life that pays him commission off of every pair of shoes that's sold insane like I look at him like that, but he's like icon, like straight up, he's an icon, you know.
Speaker 1:But we all see the product, we all see like oh yeah. But I guarantee you, throughout his path to success, to who he is now, like he pissed people off. I mean, he pissed people off during his career, oh yeah. But you think michael jordan sits there and thinks about the people that you upset, or that people not a chance no, he's sitting there thinking about what am I going to spend my 250 million dollars?
Speaker 1:I'm nike this year, you know yeah, 100, so I think, I think I don't know. I feel like that quote to me just was like it's okay to be different, it's okay to, like you know, focus on yourself and, and obviously you don't want to be completely selfish, but you have to be self along the journey 100, and you said a lot of stuff there that I gotta go into. No, no, that was good.
Speaker 2:That was a really good thing. But like, first and foremost, thanks for saying all that stuff about me being disciplined. I try, but I think it's because I understood from a pretty early, like when we first started working out, and I think it was like when we were up in Rexburg 2017, jocko came out with a book called discipline eagles freedom and he it's like the most simple book and no hate on jaco, but it could have been written by like a middle schooler. Um, because, like you open it up and it's like sugar-coated lies. He's like they don't help you. Donuts make you bad. Sugar's bad for you.
Speaker 2:But it was all these like simple things pretty much explaining why discipline equals freedom. Like he says in it, you know, if you want to have financial freedom, just control how you spend, be disciplined in your spending, and you'll be surprised. It'll come. Same thing with, like nutrition. It's like you don't want to gain weight. Just be disciplined in how you eat and so, yeah, I mean like discipline is something you have to strengthen. It's a muscle. It's like the same thing with anything else that you do. It takes time, but it's like if you're consistent with being disciplined, it'll make it easier. It's like anything in life, if you're consistent, it just gets easier over time, um, but discipline really is, like jaco says, freedom, because then you don't have to worry about a lot of other issues.
Speaker 2:And it goes back to, uh, that one poem you and I love choose your heart. Yeah, it's like you can choose the heart of being different or choose the heart of being average. And to your point about being different, it doesn't get better, it honestly gets worse. People are going to be like what the heck? You're running an ultra marathon? Are you insane? What's going on with you? It gets worse. But again, it's like I don't care, because they're goals that I'm excited about.
Speaker 2:And um cam haynes talks about that like the haters. He always talks about the haters, um, but he says that they always give their advice and their feedback because they see what he's doing and realize that they'll never be able to achieve it themselves and so they have to drag them down. And I'm like that's an interesting way to look at it because, yeah, I think some people will look at your discipline in running and in how hard you work and like, as you try and get these financial goals, and say like dang he's, he's going far. Maybe, if I just like tell him like why are you doing this?
Speaker 1:like it'll slow him down a little bit I, I feel like I did that to you a lot you know, like when you're learning, you just brush it off I know, when you started running and stuff, I just I remember being like that's stupid. You know, like, like legit. I think I even said that to you. That's stupid, like, because at that time I was like I'll never run, like that's dumb, I'll never do it.
Speaker 2:But you know, with like you say, I guess with time it just shifts you know, yeah, and that's okay, like everyone's gonna have have different timelines, but the point we're trying to make is, you know, these decisions aren't easy to make. Winning and all this stuff, like it's hard to do but the reward is way like more beneficial than you can ever imagine. And I saw this reel the other day. I'll try and explain it for the listeners and all this stuff.
Speaker 2:But this guy was talking about what success is and he was saying that, like if you think about an iceberg, success is the very tip and you don't see underneath the surface, where it's just like hard work, dedication, like tears, like all this stuff. He just like lists off what goes into that top of the iceberg and he's like all this, like at the bottom, that's where you spend 99 of your time, but at the top, that one percent outweighs everything and that's what you strive for and that's what you want and that's what keeps you going. And it's like that's the same with this winning. And that's why he says like winning is not easy and that's why, like all those words, uncivilized, hard, nasty, unpolished he's explaining that because of the bottom of the iceberg yeah, there's so much that goes into it that winning isn't this glorious thing that a lot of people think it is like it's pain. They see the product yeah, 100.
Speaker 1:All they see is the product. They don't see the, the work that was done in the shadows and that's why, you know, kobe and michael were so feared. Yeah, because, like you know, I don't know, they just didn't. People didn't realize how much work was being put, you know, in the back end yeah, pretty wild, yeah, but um, anything else on winning you want to bring up.
Speaker 2:Those are the quotes that I brought right on.
Speaker 2:I um I'll finish with this last quote that he says yeah, winning is everything. That actually came from Michael Jordan. He tells a story in the book where he's asking all these people, he's asking business owners, he's asking other athletes, like one word that they use to describe winning and Michael Jordan said everything. And it's again, like you know, suffering through all that pain, putting in all that hard work, winning is everything in that process, like it's the very tip of the iceberg. Yeah, and it's hard to do, but you know, do you want to be a winner or do you want to be a loser? Just don't quit. Yeah, be consistent, be consistent. You don't want to be a loser? Just don't quit. Yeah, be consistent, be consistent. Um, that's all I got, man, I was gonna say I don't. I think. I don't think anything else needs to be said. Nothing else needs to be said. Um, the only thing we need to know about is what happened in bbl jersey. Any update on the beef? Uh, did drake just release a new album or a new song?
Speaker 1:I don't know I'm I might be behind, but I mean, we all know that kendrick lamar won, so it doesn't really matter I think metro booman won yeah, that's true, he did release bbl jersey.
Speaker 2:You're right, bbl jersey came out and everyone thought, everyone got silent dude.
Speaker 1:Everyone stopped making songs for that. He said oh you know, drake was on a sexy red song and um, he actually rapped on bbl drizzy really.
Speaker 2:Yes, he's trying to use it in his favor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it was on a song with sexy red, so he already lost 20 points you know, you know.
Speaker 2:You know what I listened to um yesterday on my run. Oh what? No vaseline by ice cube. You want to talk about rap beef that?
Speaker 1:was the best. That was the best track ever. It ain't over mother. That, honestly, might be the best rap song ever so good, yeah, it's the best them guys, yellow and and whatever, wearing lipstick and and drag, so good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can't talk about rap beef until you listen to ice cube.
Speaker 1:Yeah he was, and then biggie and tupac like come on yeah that's why you know have you heard the rumors that p diddy's a cia informant and that's why he's not gonna go to prison? P diddy is a cia informant. It's a conspiracy theory out there. That he's a CIA asset, I think, is the correct term. Wow yeah.
Speaker 2:No, you know who I think is a CIA asset? Actually Dwayne the Rock Johnson. Dwayne the Rock Johnson probably is like a global spy, because everyone loves him. But I was going to say DJ Khaled, because he comes out with an album maybe once every two years, but he's somehow he's balling out of control. Yeah, um, he doesn't really do much, but he's also have you seen him on a jet?
Speaker 1:ski.
Speaker 2:He's so fast on a jet ski, so fast on a jet ski yeah, he had to have had some cia training on that jet ski at least yeah, and the way he talks about like cocoa butter, it's probably he puts that on so he can like slide through crevices and sneaky places yeah, guaranteed, he's a certified slitherer. He's slithering everywhere yeah, dj khaled knows how to slither. Yeah, heard it here first. You heard it here first and on that note um, appreciate everyone for listening. Drew love you to death, man. Thanks for coming on again yeah, um episode 420 420 you're coming on.
Speaker 1:This is 69.
Speaker 2:Um, we'll also have you on at 666, just for fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can wear devil horns when that comes yeah, I think I think brett just saying I think that you need to do an episode post uh, ultra, like right then, and there to where I'm just brain dead or your brain dead and I'll, I'll be the host that time I would be interested in that, like I wouldn't be able to formulate thoughts.
Speaker 2:But yeah, we can do that. Yeah, let's do. It. Has to be within 30 minutes to an hour of when I'm done. Yep, no showers allowed. Yeah, I'll just come in there crusty and won't even know what's going on Exactly. All right, well, we have that to look forward to and until that point, everyone thanks for listening and keep getting after it.