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066: Job's Not Finished with Drew Rossell
When Drew Rossell crossed the finish line, he wasn't focused on the thrill of victory—he was craving the next big challenge.
In our latest podcast episode, we tap into that spirit, inspired by the legendary Kobe Bryant and his iconic 'job's not finished' mindset. Our discussion explores the imperative of perpetual growth, influenced by giants like Bryant who leave a legacy that transcends basketball, shaping our approaches to sports, family, and leadership. We delve into personal development stories and the art of setting practical goals, providing a roadmap to sustained excellence and the continuous drive needed to stay focused and motivated.
This episode goes beyond just improving run times; it goes into the mental and physical challenge that running is. We unpack how a rigorous sports regimen can foster the confidence and fortitude necessary to overcome any challenge life throws at you.
The entire reason I share our journeys of setting ambitious targets, the transformative impact of unwavering commitment, and the psychological struggles of competing against oneself, is to learn lessons you can apply to your own life.
Balancing lofty fitness aspirations with family life might seem daunting, but Emeli and Drew demonstrate that it’s possible to merge the two seamlessly. Drew shares his experiences of pursuing high-level running goals while raising a young family, illustrating the balance that is both challenging and immensely fulfilling. You’ll also gain insights into the teamwork that fuels success, reminiscent of the synergy seen in teams like the Redeem Team.
We conclude the episode by celebrating the quiet triumphs that come from dedication and hard work, highlighting the beauty of relentless improvement and the endless quest for personal betterment.
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what's next? Because I don't, I don't want to stop. You know, like when I, when we finish that race, like I knew that there was something else, like I was happy with myself, I was happy with, like, the results, but I knew there was something else that I needed to achieve, you know it's taking so long.
Speaker 2:I love, I love the anticipation, because I can see your eyes like running around the screen.
Speaker 1:Baby help me, baby help me.
Speaker 2:Baby, help me. I'm thicker than a snicker. I'm thicker than your leisure. Don't act like you don't know me. These hands are like a trophy Baby. It ain't no mystery, got a best B-L in history. This kick will make you sure I know you'll see this floor. Hey, baby, help me, baby, help me, baby, help me. That was fantastic. Um, welcome back to the show, drew. Thank you. You are another reoccurring guest and I think everyone is wondering what does BBL Drizzy mean Explain?
Speaker 1:BBL. Drizzy is not a thing, it's a feeling, it's a sensation that you chase Really. Yeah, it's hard to explain but it's easy to it's. It's hard to explain but it's easy to feel.
Speaker 2:if you know what I mean, okay yeah, I think I do know what you mean yeah and, on that note, I think we're going to talk about, uh, some good stuff today. I'm um, first and foremost, drew just ran his Orange County race that we talked about in the last episode, but crushed his goal. We'll talk more about that in a little bit. But this idea that we're going to go into is. It comes from Kobe, and there's this interview where he's playing. They're in the finals and it's against the Detroit Pistons, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so and they're up 2-0.
Speaker 2:So the Lakers are up 2-0 in the finals. And I wrote out the quotes because I just love this. But anyways, there's this clip Go watch it if you haven't of Kobe. He gets asked by a reporter. He says hey, you're up 2-0. What's the story? Are you not happy? You only half happy. Kobe says what's there to be happy about? Reporter says you're up 2-0. Kobe says job's not finished, job finished? I don't think so and it's pretty freaking sweet.
Speaker 2:Phil Jackson, the coach he actually commented on that and I think it's kind of interesting he says I think he just really took that aspect of it as a serious element of where you have to go with these playoffs. You have to stay driven and motivated and I think it's really important that he takes that leadership role for his team. So that was a little long of an intro, but that is, I think, a pretty powerful concept of like job's not finished, and you kind of brought that up to me. It was like the job's not finished and I was like, hey, I like. And I was like, hey, I like, this I'm, I'm on board with this. And so tell me what it means to you.
Speaker 1:What does job not finished mean to drew rossel yeah, well, first I have to say that kobe's one of my idols, like not you should tell, you should tell how your birthday sucks now yeah, yeah, I can't celebrate my birthday anymore Cause he died on my birthday, so I I'd actually skipped my birthday, but he, he was one of my idols.
Speaker 1:Like I think a lot of people get caught up in in the athletes and their off field you know shenanigans. Like I think that you could look at those people and say, oh, they're bad people, whatever. Say oh, they're bad people, whatever. But Kobe's just mentality on the court of just who he became as soon as the game started, like that right, there is something that I idolize and so I think we had been. I think we just finished the race. We were like hanging out talking this last weekend in Orange County and that thought came to my head is job's not finished, like there's more to do, and I think that's just something that I want to live my life by is like okay, well, what's next?
Speaker 2:let's just keep going and keep yeah, I think I've talked about this in the last one was just I want to just keep growing and keep getting better, and so like I just I want to stay hungry, like kobe was just like the job's never finished, there's always that you could do always so I got tickled my throat, um, but no, it's true, like the job is never finished, at least, like I think you have to break it down into buckets of like things that you know you can say, yeah, job's not finished for and I think that's your goals um, education, you can never learn as much as you need, so it's like you can always do that. I think just being there for your family and stuff, like job's not finished. Like if you have some alone time and you're feeling fine, maybe you go hang out with your wife or something I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But I think it's very powerful with, like, when you consider goals Because I talked about goal graduation and a couple episodes ago but pretty much like, you reach a goal and you're like what's next what you just said? Like when you finish the race, like what, what's next on the list? Man, sorry, it's annoying, but yeah. So David goggins is also a psychopath. Right, he's on the same boat where he always, just like you know, tries to reach a new bar, but he has this, uh, this quote kind of goes along the same things, but he says you know that my refrigerator is never full and it never will be, because I live a mission-driven life, always on the hunt for the next challenge.
Speaker 2:That mindset is the reason I broke that record. I finished Badwater, became a SEAL, rocked Ranger School and on down the list. In my mind I'm that racehorse always chasing a carrot I'll never catch, forever trying to prove myself to myself. And when you live that way and attain a goal, success feels anticlimactic. It's kind of true.
Speaker 2:Like I uh I tell Allie all the time like I got more excited when she ran across the finish line than when I ran. Um, like, my first sub three marathon is hard, but I was like, yeah, you know, I got to prove what's next, but, um, yeah, one question that I had for you is is do you think there's a danger in that kind of mindset, though? Because you take people like goggins, who are on one side of the spectrum, so like just dedicated to what he said, proving himself to himself, and then you know, kobe, I think historically he didn't have a good like marriage with his wife and stuff, right like there were some issues that went on um, I think they, I think they got it in a good spot towards the end of his life yeah, I think you're right but I think I think also like that lifestyle.
Speaker 1:Being an athlete, like a professional athlete, is just hard on relationships yeah you know, because you're on the road so much.
Speaker 1:But I, I wouldn't say there's a danger. I think there's balance in all things. Right, like you need to, you need to be able to be that person when you're competing with yourself. But also like I think, uh, I don't think there's anything wrong with you know, looking at yourself and looking at goals to be like, okay, that was great, let's keep going, like what's next? You know, yeah, I don't think there's anything, any danger in it. I think I think you just need to, you know, have a realistic mindset. And because I, I know that you know kobe and and even david goggins, probably, when they have setbacks, like I don't think they crash as humans, I don't think they, you know, collapse, I think they they just reset and keep going you know, no, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:And the only reason I like I brought that up was I was talking to Allie about this and um, she was saying, you know, you've gotten so good at like celebrating the small victories and stuff and like to that point I think you should still celebrate and like, along the way, be proud of yourself for what you did, but just realize, like that's not the end, like that's that's kind of how I see it is like every step that you make that's bettering yourself. Like you ran your first half marathon in in february. You just ran one in may and it got better. And so now you're like, hey, what's the next goal? And you already have decided what that, uh, what that is. Um, how did you like identify what you wanted to do next? And like that was kind of something you wanted to do, but was it's still attainable?
Speaker 1:like yeah, I mean. Well, when I finished my first half marathon, I was like that was really hard, but I also felt like I had way more in the tank and so from then, it was like, well, how can I get better? Yeah, like, how can I do that better? Um, and and I think this is like right when I I you know hired you as my coach, um, and I set that goal.
Speaker 1:I think that an obtainable goal would be a sub two hour half marathon yeah but we set out, we, we crushed it and then, right after that race, like I was talking to my brother-in-law and he was like, well, now you got to run the full thing. And I was like, yeah, you're right, like I had 100%, and then, from that day, made the decision that that's the next thing. November 3rd.
Speaker 2:November 3rd, las Vegas, we're doing Las Vegas baby, yeah, party up, we'll go see Davidid blaine on me, okay, you, uh, you kind of just glossed over something huge there. You're like yeah, you know, I hired you as a coach and then we ran the race and crushed it. It's like, yeah, but what went into that? Like, talk a little bit about the training, like what was that like?
Speaker 1:because you were pushing yourself harder than you ever have yeah, I mean the training was just it was all about. Consistency is about, you know, I knew how many miles I needed to get, I knew when we were doing speed work what pace I needed to be at, and and I just pushed myself to do it. You know, some, some days it was easier than others. Like there was days where I had to push through shin splints, there was days where I had to get up and run and I was up in the mountains. You know, like it, it all just kind of varied. But I mean it was just a lot of consistency. And yeah, and like, I think the biggest thing for me was when I started running. I think what was my pace when? The first half? Was it 10?
Speaker 2:I think it must have been 10 because, yeah, your time was 2 12.
Speaker 1:yeah. So it was like a 10 minute pace and that for me was like holy cow, like that was so fast. And then we started training right away and I started hitting these like faster times and I was just like, oh, like this isn't that hard, you know, I just kept going yeah, obviously, obviously takes a lot of effort. But like, as soon as I started realizing I was hitting these little metrics of like, oh, I, I knocked off 10 seconds, oh, I knocked off another 10 seconds, I just I felt super confident. You know, oh, I know I can hit this, this pace, um, but it was just being consistent.
Speaker 2:Like that's the biggest thing yeah, 100 like that's what I always preach on. This is like consistency will. Like you need discipline to be the catalyst that gets you working on your goals, but consistency is what will get you there. Yeah, like discipline has to be enforced at the beginning. I mean, of course, like days when you have no motivation, like when you have shin splints.
Speaker 2:That's when discipline also kicks in yeah but the consistency piece, like you said, like it just gets easier over time as you do it. Um, and maybe you could talk about that for a second, because I think I talk a lot about running and the things I talk about with running like I don't think people can really relate to right now, because sometimes I just like, yeah, I just went on a 12-mile run. But last November I remember Allie and I were like, hey, you're going to do Team Tim. I think she was down there in Arizona and she's like are you going to do Team Tim?
Speaker 1:Him call me a fake fam or fake fan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, fake fan. But yeah, then you were like I'm never running. And what made the change inside of you? Because now it's like you're fully bought in, you're like you've realized that it's something you want to do and get better at. But how did you get to that point?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but how did you get to that point? That's yeah. Um, well, I mean, like it first started with just, I just did it randomly. One day I ran two miles and I was like, oh, that wasn't so bad, and then just started doing it and made the decision. You know and there's a lot of people involved in that spoke about that last last podcast was emily was involved. Like you know, blake was involved. But last podcast was emily was involved, like you know, blake was involved.
Speaker 1:But, um, I think it just changed over time. Like I think that I like, at least my whole life, I've always like been looking for that instant change, or that instant, you know, right away. But like I've lost almost 25 pounds since I started running, you know I don't, I don't have knee pain anymore. Like I used to saying running, you know I don't, I don't have knee pain anymore. Like I used to saying like that's crazy, yeah, like it's, it's just, I've been seeing results and like, after seeing those results, it's like, well, it's easy for me to just be like let's, let's just keep going and keep getting better, and like I'm actually seeing like I worked I don't know how many years have you and I've been lifting together man five years, six years, something like that I think six, yeah, rexburg and like during those five years, I never saw the results that I've seen just since november, you know yeah I'm not saying it's, it's only running like there's a lot more that goes into it, like you know.
Speaker 2:Um yeah, you're still strength training, like you'll still get that done but like yeah, I just it just like feels good.
Speaker 1:And I think the other thing that, um, that I that I love about running. I mean you can say it's about really anything, but with running it's 100% you against you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, like, even when you're in a, in a race, unless you're like an Olympic athlete, you know it's you versus you and like, every time I get on the treadmill or if I'm going out for a run, the only reason that I would stop is because I made that choice to stop. And I, I hate making that choice because it makes me feel weak. Yeah, it's the worst feeling it really is. It's just like man, like I. I just let myself down.
Speaker 2:And that was me today. It happened to me today. It was like it happens. It happens all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but like it's just 100% you versus you and that's like the thing that I feel like I love. I feel like I was, you know, like in high school I played sports, I was super competitive and then I feel like with life you can kind of lose that competition, but now I feel like I've gained that back with myself, like I feel like I'm a super competitive person.
Speaker 2:And feel like I've gained that back with myself. Like I feel like I'm a super competitive person and now I'm like competitive with myself. Dude, yeah, that nails it on the head. That's like, honestly, one of the reasons I do it is because, like, I love competing and it's hard to compete like you can't really do sports when you're 26 years old.
Speaker 2:You can go do an intramural league, but those are always jokes yeah I'm not gonna go to the ymca and slug some softballs yeah um, but there's something about, like I don't know, I study the stoics a lot and all those, uh philosopher guys, but they all say the same thing like you shouldn't care about other people's opinions. The only one you should care about is yourself. And there's this quote that, um, chris Williamson says all the time Um, I think it's from Mark Manson, but he says that, um, the hardest person to earn your respect is yourself, and or no, I think it's something that goes along the lines like you spend most of your time with yourself and because of that, like, it's the hardest to earn your own self-respect. Um, so don't ever like I can't remember what it is, but it's something around the lines of like don't let yourself um kind of get out of that like competing with yourself or always constantly working on yourself I.
Speaker 1:I mean, I definitely feel like the like you have to earn your own self respect because, like you know, I freaking feel like I had body dysmorphia for so long and I feel like that voice. Ever since I've started running, that voice is gone. Really, yeah, like it. Like. I mean definitely have, you know, hunger to change my physique, but like it's different. It's not like you know, me telling myself I'd, you know, I'm not worth it or whatever it is. You know, like I, if my mind tried to tell me that, I'd be like no, I just ran, I've ran 500 miles almost this year, so yeah, it's insane. Like I know I've, I'm, uh, I've earned it.
Speaker 2:You know 100 and so like that's crazy, actually 500 miles this year.
Speaker 1:Well, not, not quite. I'm close here. I'll tell you, since I started tracking my I think it was like the first week of December I'm at 441 total miles.
Speaker 2:Dang.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's insane. That's got to be a good feeling too, because, like you said, you didn't run. And now it's like wait, I ran 500 miles, like that's crazy. And so to your point of like jobs not finished, like that's huge, like what is next.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I'm looking for this quote. I need to find it because I butchered it, I don't know. Anyways, maybe I'll find it. But back back to that like I think that's huge. Um, like you're seeing the evidence and, uh, like when I was thinking about this episode and like what I was going to talk about with the idea of, like, jobs not finished, I think something I wanted to highlight is, like it, it doesn't necessarily get easier, but you understand, you're able to push yourself more than you thought Because, like, as you start going and challenging yourself, doing these difficult things, then you will start to build like a stack of evidence that you can look to and say, hey, I was never, I wasn't there six months ago, but look what I was able to do. Like, yeah, maybe a marathon in November, that doesn't seem too far off to me, like you know. So I I think that's like a. It's almost reassuring. It's like the work that I'm doing is is coming to fruition and I can do this building confidence for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's like the biggest thing for um, for team Tim is like one of the reasons we have it is so people start to build up self-confidence because, like Tim was always trying to get people to be their biggest cheerleader and all this. But, um, yeah, what has it done for your self-confidence?
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, I mean I spoke a little bit about it like I, I used to have a lot of self-doubt and a lot of negative talk, but I, I feel like that's kind of gone now. Um, just because it, it's easy now for me to be like, no, you're, you're a badass, you're doing great. You know like, just keep pushing forward. You know, um, but also like, especially with like physical things, um, like I feel like we kind of restructured my lifting a little bit recently.
Speaker 1:Uh, yeah, we started like going a little bit harder and like that first week I was like oh gosh, but then I was like, no, I got this, like my body's gonna adapt and I'm gonna feel better, and then even going into the race, like I had zero butterflies, like I was, I was going into that, I 100, knew that I'm going to to make it and and reach my goal. You know I was gonna do everything that I could. Yeah, um, I mean yeah, I think that, other than also, just like it kind of creeps into everyday life too, you know like, just like I feel more confident decisions I make and and like betting on myself because I've been working so hard, it's easy for me like, no, I, I know I can put in the work and do whatever I need to to be successful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. And I tell Allie all the time that running is the best metaphor for life, because I usually like to run in the mornings and when I'm done I'm like, okay, nothing that I do today will be harder than what I just did, and so it's like it kind of to your point point gives you a little confidence in literally everything that you do.
Speaker 2:So then you walk into work and you're like, hey, all right, I'll take on whatever comes my way yeah um, I heard Cameron Haynes talk about like Joe Rogan was asking him like how are you so like chill all the time, like you don't really do anything, like you don't like outside of running and bow hunting, all that stuff. You're just kind of chill, like you don't really do anything, like you don't like outside of running and bow hunting, all that stuff. You're just kind of chill, like you don't really do much. You don't get mad at people.
Speaker 2:And Cameron was like, honestly, like I'm one too tired to care and like, two, I know exactly who I am because, like people can comment, yeah, you know you're not going to be running in five years, your knees are going to be gone, but it's like they're not doing that. But I am, and it's like you don't have to listen to that crap. Um, but to your point, like the biggest battle you always fight is with yourself and I think that's how it should be, honestly yeah so like jobs not finished, it's more of like an internal thing in my opinion.
Speaker 2:100 percent.
Speaker 1:It's, it's all you know, it's all between you and yourself. You know just and that's like one of the reasons why that quote means so much to me is just like what's next? Because I don't, I don't want to stop. You know when, when we finish that that race, I knew that there was something else. I was happy with myself, I was happy with the results, but I knew there was something else that I needed to achieve. And then, after this, we'll have Team Tim in February, and then maybe a couple other marathons and I'll be running an ultra with you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're doing it, it's gonna be good. Yeah, um, actually I'll tell you after june, let you know how it is. Yeah, um, but yeah, no, I. I think that's cool to like hear that side of things too. I'm curious, though what do you hope that mindset of, like jobs not finished will teach your kids? Or like your example of that mindset, like, what are you hoping that will teach your kids? Because I know that's like as a dad and knowing you as my brother, like that's the most important thing to you. It's like your family. And like you're not just going out there to push yourself, so you're just pushing yourself right, like you're one going out there to push yourself, so you're just pushing yourself right, like you're one getting healthy and all this. But like is there something you're hoping to like pass on to your kids through your example?
Speaker 1:I hope that my kids are never satisfied, like I hope that they're always hungry, you know, like there's always more to be done, um, but also I want them to know that they can accomplish anything, like if you put their mind to it, like they can absolutely do anything that they want to. Like I know that's such a cliche, but like it's, it's so true. And like if you have the discipline. Like when we started running, like I told myself that I was never gonna miss a run. And I don't, I think we had to adjust a couple because the travel, like for work, whatever, but like other than that I don't, I did not miss a single run. And yeah, I don't think you did.
Speaker 1:There was definitely runs where I fell short by a couple miles, but I, you know, like I I just told myself that no matter what, no matter what time of day, like no matter what it was that I was going to go out and there and do it, and so that's like what I hope my kids look at is. I hope that they are always hungry and I hope that they're always pushing themselves, but I also hope that they know that they can literally accomplish anything if they put their minds to it yeah, 100, I love that.
Speaker 2:That's, um, I think as a kid, like seeing your parents do big things like that, like that's it's got to make them just be. Like I want to be like dad, like I think, uh, right now you, you ask reese like hey, who do you want to be when you're older? And he'll say, of course, michael Jordan. Like, what do you want to be when you're older? Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1:I want to be Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, who do you want on your wall?
Speaker 2:Reese Michael Jordan? Yeah, but I mean, like with the things that you're doing, like give him a couple years and I can almost guarantee he'll be like I want to be like dad, cause dad's kicking ass every single chance he gets, like in everything he does. Um, and I think, yeah, I was, I was like I don't know I've told you before like as a brother and I'm not a dad yet but like seeing your example, like that's how I want to be as a dad is like I want my kids to look at me and say, hey, he's always trying to push himself and do something difficult and there must be a reason why, and so that's a hard lesson to to learn is like the value of hard work and dedication. But I think if you are doing things and again, I'm not a dad, so I can't really speak on this too much but if you're doing things that challenge you and make you become better, like your kids will see that and want to, hopefully, you know, do the same thing. But again, yeah, I'm not dead. So soon.
Speaker 1:I mean I'd rather, I'd rather be like super disciplined and and be uh, out there pushing myself and then say something like yeah, my dad's crazy, he hasn't had a donut in 15 years or 50 years. Then then then be like man. I wish dad played with me more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a hundred percent so yeah, I don't know, toss those donuts out. But go play a basketball with Reese, yeah, toss those donuts out but go play basketball with Reese. Yeah, exactly that kind of thing Sugar-coated lies.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:Still a thing that's real, that's actually a big thing. That, like Jocko talks about a lot is with extreme ownership, like you own everything in your life and I think goals are challenging for people to set and stick to. But like you have to have a desire, come from somewhere that you want to get better, and you have to take that ownership, be like, hey, it's on me to do this. Like I can say I want to get better all the time and, you know, maybe I'll go get on Ozempic and lose 40 pounds, whatever it is. But like if you really want to change, you have to take that ownership and realize, like you know, this is not where I want to be. There's room for improvement. Like, what does that look like? And I say it all the time.
Speaker 2:Like Jocko, he's taught me everything about discipline, but it's it's easier said than done. I understand that, but you, I mean, you did it like and you're doing it, yeah, and so I think that's like um, I know I keep coming back to that, but it's like an inspirational thing, um, because, like I said in November, you told me you would never run again. Like you're like Nope, that's not for me, I'm just going to stick to lifting, um. But then I remember when you first asked me to like coach you, you're like yeah, no, I want to just keep seeing where this goes. Like I feel great, like my body feels good, um, and yeah, I think that just teaches you a lot about yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, honestly this, and yeah, I think it just teaches you a lot about yourself. Yeah, honestly, this is the healthiest I think I've ever felt. I mean, you look good dude, at least in the last like 10 years, you know have you looked at pictures from rexburg?
Speaker 2:um no, you should.
Speaker 1:You should go look yeah I'll, uh, I'll, make a picture look at pictures from last year, you know I mean that's amazing yeah, like, yeah, I, I mean I, I always have had self-confidence issues as well.
Speaker 2:Um, I used to be a little fat brett, you know, wearing my t-shirts in the pool because I didn't want to take it off. Yeah, um but, now it's like he trips.
Speaker 1:That's what did it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was it yeah, shout out to mom you know, we love you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, but like to your point, it really does do something for your self-confidence, like something challenging, and I want to make a caveat here, like I'm not saying that everyone has to go run, like find the difficult thing. That you want to make a caveat here, like I'm not saying that everyone has to go run, like find the difficult thing that you want to get better at and make that a part of your life. Like goal setting, I think is, like I was saying, not achievable by a lot of people because they aim too high at the beginning, they get burnt out, and you and I know people who go through cycles all the time like that I am one of them was I was.
Speaker 2:I was gonna ask how did it change?
Speaker 1:I mean it's just, it's like I I went from looking for a quick fix to realizing that it takes time. You know, yeah, that's just, that's just really it is that there's no quick fixes and just having like a long-term goal and, I think, running, because I trained for the first one in three months, I think I think it was what it was um, how long we've been training for this one about the same three months yeah, so half marathon ended in in february and then right after that you picked it back up, so about three months yeah.
Speaker 1:So, like I don't know, I just think having that long-term goal of like you know, I have three months to train for this, let's go and I was being consistent, just kind of taught me that you know anything that's worthwhile is going to take time and it's going to be like little victories over time. You know little changes over time and like, for example, I love gas station food oh yeah absolutely love gas station food, but like I've noticed my dude yeah, this is that's what okay.
Speaker 1:So I went to to the gas station to get a polar pop.
Speaker 1:You know, went to circle k got myself a diet coke, and the person that I went with was like, have you tried those flaming hot uh taquitos that they have? And I was like no, and I literally grabbed the tongs and I went to go grab one and then I was like, why am I grabbing this, like I don't need it, it's not gonna help me, it's not gonna make me feel any better, it's gonna make me feel worse, and so I'd I put the tongs back and it'll make you shit uncontrollably on a run exactly and so, like, like the old me would have just grabbed it and ate it, you know, like, without questioning.
Speaker 1:But like like the, the new me that's, like you know, been pushing myself and focusing on all this was just like, wait, there's no purpose to eating, that, you don't need to eat it, and so, like, it's just like little things over time that like, and little choices over time that help me kind of gauge where I'm at and, like, help me, you know, make those different choices. So, yeah, it's just understanding that anything that's worth your time is going to take a long time. And like I think you brought up Ozempic too, like I don't want to shoot that down I think that there is cases where Ozempic would be super helpful, right, but if there's no changes to like, mentality or anything like that, you know, I think that goes with anything. Yeah, I think that goes with anything. Yeah, if there's not changes to the way you're thinking, then you're not going to achieve your end result.
Speaker 2:Right, the only reason I brought up Ozempic, I should probably say that is like yes and one. I know it's a medicine, it's used for people to take care of themselves, but like there is a trend right now where people take it and then, to your point, they don't change any of, like, how they think about food or look at food, um, and then once they get off of zempic, those same habits haven't changed and they gain it all right back and so it's like the same thing could be said about if you, if your goal is to become rich, right like if you win the lottery, but you don't have any good spending habits, your money's going to be gone in a year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that happens all like nba players all the time exactly like is it ai?
Speaker 1:broke I?
Speaker 2:I think so you know, I think he's gone like, like there's no money.
Speaker 1:If you don't have, like, smart spending habits, you're never going to be rich. So you know you need to, you need to work on on the spending habits and then you know you'll eventually get there. So yeah I think it just. I think it's just understanding that's going to take time and you know it's being consistent yeah, and that's the thing about consistency, is consistency compounds?
Speaker 2:and to your point, like, yeah, I like if, if you and I were at a gas station three months ago and you saw a flaming hot taquito, I I'm sure you you would have gotten it. But like these small choices over time, to your point, it's like you know what, maybe I don't need that. Yeah, it looks good, but I'd rather feel better.
Speaker 2:You know, and I think that's just a point to where it's like you have to start wanting better things for yourself. You, you want your life to get better, and the only way to do that is to change, and change is hard at first, but once you kind of get over the the hump, then things get better yeah, and that's the that's.
Speaker 1:The other thing, too, is like jobs not finished jobs not you know, like I, if I eat that taquito it's gonna make me feel worse. I'm not gonna perform as good. Now, if I had just finished running the race and that taquito was presented to me, I probably would have eaten it on a silver platter presented.
Speaker 2:It's like yeah exactly but.
Speaker 1:But like you know, like it just wasn't the right time and place, you know yeah, 100.
Speaker 2:yeah, and that's the thing too. I I always say, like I preach about discipline and consistency there also just needs to be balanced. Like you can't be one way or the other. Like, of course, if you go out to dinner with friends, eat some good food, like don't be scared of it, just get back on track, and that's the thing is. Like. I think a lot of people if they, if they heard that and they went out and they ate a bunch of crap with their friends, then maybe their story they're the tell, like they tell themselves after that is I've already messed up Like who cares Whatever. But since you've gone through this process, you've seen it work, you know how you feel it's like if you go out and you splurge and eat a bunch of pizza with friends or whatever, then like your mindset will be like hey, that was great, I needed it, it was fun talking to my friends, I'll get back on the train tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like because you know who you are and you know you can.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I had the same feeling when we were getting ready for the race. I had to eat a lot of food, and we ate Olive Garden and we had Subway, but as soon as the race was over, I was like, okay, it's back on.
Speaker 2:I remember you saying that yeah, and I did I.
Speaker 1:soon as the race was over I was like okay, it's back on. You know, like I remember saying that, yeah and I did. I mean I did have a uh dr pepper slim, jim, on the way home, but I had that was foul that day it was disgusting don't go get dr pepper slim, jims dr pepper slim, jim sponsor, me sponsor drew, but it has to be the dr pepper flavor.
Speaker 2:That's it yeah but make it all the dr pepper flavor. So get that coconut one yeah, oh, that was the most disgusting snack I've ever had yeah, it was pretty bad, yeah, but um, yeah, I think like one thing I just wanted to like highlight is the work that everyone put in on that trip.
Speaker 2:Like you set a goal to run a sub two half marathon, so did parker, and you guys both hit it, and then your wife emily ran her first marathon yeah and so this is the other thing I I just wanted to talk about, like just pretty quick, is like emily, you and emily have three kids, yeah, and emily would have to find time in her schedule with three kids under three, right, yeah, yeah, that's insane. So emily would always post things on her story where it's like hey, I, I was running at the gym, you know, three miles in, uh, the care people came and told me that you know, maggie wouldn't stop crying. Four miles in, like I had to change a diaper, like. And then she's like then I had to go home because I was out of time, um, and then she's like and then I have to wait for Drew to get home to finish my run, but like you were in the same boat sometimes like you'd have to travel or change your schedule or whatever, and like wake up earlier so you can get your run in, still spend time with the kids and do the things that you need to.
Speaker 2:The point I'm trying to make here is, like Nick bear says this all the time If it matters to you, you will make time and, in my opinion, I you should make time for challenging yourself and like in any ways, if it's physical, mental, like if you're learning whatever. But if you're able to challenge yourself and become better, then you're able to help more people and be a better resource for others. And, like, all I'm saying is the work did not go unnoticed. And it's like I tell me a little bit about how like schedules were, and all that because I know that was hard yeah, well, I feel like, uh, you might need to have Emily on too, because I feel like she would have a lot more insight.
Speaker 1:But like she's pretty great, like at um, keeping our kids on a schedule right, and like I knew she emily had chosen the oc is where she wanted to run her first marathon. And then, um, well, I was like, well, that's what I'm gonna run my half, you know, and we had talked about it and I think, like the first couple weeks we're like we're never running the same race again. This was just so hard. But I think we just got into like a flow, you know, and like I knew that on saturdays, when we both have long runs, that she was gonna take priority because she's training for her first marathon, you know, and she oftentimes had way more miles than me and that's honestly sometimes how we balanced it too was like if I had 11 miles and she had eight, I would run first and then she would run after me.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, like there was a lot of give and take, but I think emily took a lot of it because we knew that my time was before. I like I would wake up early, I'd run or work out or whatever, and then I'd go to work, and then she um, we actually had to switch gyms for her to do this because the gym that she was going to, like their child care service, was just horrible and like didn't really work. And so this one, the gym that she goes to, now you don't have to make appointments, you can just go drop the kids off and you have two hours. And so, yeah, that was like essentially what we did is we would just balance each other out and when one of us had more miles or whatever, we would let them go first, and then it was just both of us had this goal and it was important to both of us that we supported each other going through it.
Speaker 1:But I definitely feel like Emily got the short end of the stick. You know, like she was running at noon or one or like in between nap times and taking the kids to to the gym. And you know, I honestly like, especially like, okay, as a husband, I got the text from her when she hit mile um, I think it was 20 and during the marathon, during the race marathon, yeah, during the marathon.
Speaker 1:During the race, yeah, during the marathon I got a text from her that said because she was borderline this whole time like oh my gosh, I don't know if I can do it. I don't know if I can do it.
Speaker 2:I'm like.
Speaker 1:Emily, you've done the work. You can do it. But she got to mile 20, and she texted me and as a husband, this is like the greatest text I've received, because I've seen how hard she's worked um and she said I'm in a lot of pain, but I'm feeling great yeah and I was like that's all I needed to know, like I was happy, and then she came.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I feel like she was in less pain than than I was yeah, she was moving around great afterwards seriously, like I think she has some foot pain right now still, but like honestly, like she was just absolutely killed it, like I could not be more proud of of her and because I I know how hard it was balancing children's schedules, including, like you know, practices and yeah, everything stuff, everything um, and she's super involved in our church. You know, and like it's just honestly incredible what she was able to do um with the time constraints and like scheduling.
Speaker 2:She had to work around so yeah, yeah, I think that's like another important thing. Going back to jobs not finished is like having a strong team and you guys obviously are a strong team. But I get that same feeling from when Allie is in training right now for Allegiant and she has long days but she's training to qualify for Boston in September and same thing She'll go to class, come home and run, or she'll wake up at 4 and run before she goes to class. As a husband, I'm like, well, I got to keep up with her, I got to make sure I'm doing my part and I'm trying my best to become better because she's doing it and I want to support her, her and so I don't know. I think it's just also helpful like you gotta have a good team and yeah, I mean, you guys are strong, you guys have a she's strong team she's strong and there's one, one person in your family who's the strongest, though it's her chugs.
Speaker 2:Yeah you're right, sorry um it's chugs.
Speaker 1:I mean he's michael jordan yeah, he's, he's all in on Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, you got to introduce him to Kobe. Yeah, I do. There's one more story about Kobe I want to tell before we wrap this thing up. Okay, have you seen the Redeem Team?
Speaker 1:I actually started it. I have not finished it yet.
Speaker 2:Okay, I haven't finished it or I haven't watched it even, but I know the story because I heard it from like five people then I read it. So, anyways, they're in vegas and, um, like lebron and all those guys are out partying one night and they're just living the vegas life, right. So they get back to their hotel at four in the morning and kobe's lacing up in the lobby like getting ready to go work out, and these guys walk in. They're like what are you doing? He's like I'm going to work out, like I'm training he almost said it, like it was like why are you even asking?
Speaker 2:yeah um, but he's like I, I'm training, like I'm going to go train, that's why I'm here. And as soon as he did that, like everyone else on the team changed their mindset and like at 4 in the morning, like LeBron would go and like go down there and people would still go out and party, but then, like he got to the point to where no one was going out and partying anymore and everyone was just going to sleep, working out, getting better.
Speaker 1:And then that team goes on to like I think they won the olympics right yeah, they, I think they, I think it was like the best team usa has ever done, or something like that. It's insane.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they won the gold yeah, I think it just shows you like to that point like jobs not finished, especially in in kobe, since he's like it's four in the morning.
Speaker 1:Um you guys are all partying. By then, he would have what he was a veteran by then too. Like he, oh, yeah, his. I don't think he'd won all five, but he'd won at least. No, I think he did. I think he had won all 2008? Oh, no, no. So he would have won at least three championships. I think he won his next two in 2009, 2010. But he was a veteran yeah, oh for sure. And out there he's like, yeah, oh for sure, you know. And like out there and he's like, yeah, what are you doing? You know, he's out there falling.
Speaker 2:I think that shows you, like, if you want to get to that level ever, that's the kind of thing you have to do, like when other people are going out and partying. Or like you know, last night, my friday night was, I came home from my conference and I ran seven miles because I needed to get it done. Like, sometimes you're going to have to sacrifice and with what you were talking about, with, like you and Emily's schedules and sacrificing some of your time, sacrificing your body at times because you had to push through the workout, but like, all these little sacrifices you do make you better and get you to where you want to go. And it's like you just have to figure out what you want more than what you don't. And if you're willing to give up some things, you'll get better.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's a long, long tangent, but that was perfect. I mean, what's perfect is uh, I was gonna make a bbl drizzy joke, but I feel like I've already done too much. Yeah, um no, but I I think it's awesome and, like I've told you all all the time, like I I feel so fortunate to be able to like be on this journey with you and like see you progress to where you're at. I'm so excited as we start. We just had our first marathon training block call. We're going to go through this and I'm excited to see what happens. We'll definitely do one afterwards in the casino.
Speaker 1:Maybe we'll do an in-person one in September. Though I'm down, I'm up in.
Speaker 2:Utah yes, coming up to Utah in September.
Speaker 1:Want to yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, we'll make it happen. If you want to get you those, those tickets, allie, get on it. She will now. Yeah, it's true, but yeah, she will now.
Speaker 1:yeah, it's true, but yeah let's do it and um anything else you want to leave listeners with um. The only other thought that I had um and this was maybe personal and I don't know if this would help anyone, but I feel like the one thing that changed the most for me when I started doing this was I didn't talk about it to anyone else other than you, because you're my coach Like I stopped like telling people oh yeah, I have this miles today, this miles today, like I just didn't care. It was all internal and so like I think that's, I think that's part of the jobs not finished is like Kobebe wasn't talking about what he had to do to win the next game. He's just jobs not finished. You know, and like I think I don't know for me that that really worked. Um was just internalizing it. This is between me and myself and I don't need anyone else to know about what I'm doing so 100.
Speaker 2:There's, uh, a quote that goes along with that. It's so good. I need to organize my quotes so I can find them faster, but, um, let's see, wow, these are really bad. Come on, this'll be a perfect way. Now I'm getting everyone so anticipated with this, um, damn, okay. Anyways, I think I know this quote so I shouldn't butcher it, but it's from Ryan holiday, and this is the guy that he wrote um the obstacles the way, which is that's your next book. You got to read that. And he says talking about the thing and doing the thing vie for the same resources, allocate yours efficiently, and so if you're talking about it, then you're still going to, like you said, you know, just talk about it and never do it. But if you just do it in silence, you know you're the only person you're competing against and it kind of takes pressure off. In my opinion, like other people's thoughts, it's like no, this is me versus me.
Speaker 1:Yeah I mean yeah, and also like I didn't leave room for for people to tell me that I couldn't do it. Yeah, 100, you know, like I didn't. I didn't need that, I just knew that I was gonna do it and, and you know, I didn't need anyone else's take on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well it's impressive well, and only only gets better from here.
Speaker 1:So on to the next one on to the next one.
Speaker 2:But you're the man. Thanks for coming on and, uh, thanks for sharing everyone.
Speaker 1:Bbl jersey bbl jersey baby dude, you're the man.
Speaker 2:I'll stop this.